Made in Abyss Episode 10 Discussion

Sep 14, 2017 5:13 PM

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Lol. "Mate?" Like I'm going to listen to someone from the UK.

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I'm not wasting my time with a child.

Blocked.

LMAO, so, guys, remember:
1- if you use "mate" you're from UK, therefore your words shouldn't be taken seriously.
2- to be taken seriously, you should use "m8" instead.
3- if someone tries to help you to drop an anime because he knows your stomach can't take it, he's automatically a child and should be blocked, even if you know you'll take his advice.

Btw, I'm not replying anyone for this part of the message, I really just laughed hard at it xDDD so, moving on...

HOLY, this was intense, I almost stopped looking at that part, that escalated quickly from a cute anime to a pretty dark one, but since the end of the episode, I can't stop wondering why Nanachi didn't show up *before* Riku's bone was broken by Regu, because if I understood it correctly, the "presence" Regu felt earlier was from Nanachi. Maybe it'll be explained in the next episode, I hope...

I laughed really hard too... thanks for noticing these comments XD

Sep 14, 2017 6:15 PM

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Riko's dying, RoBro has to cut off her own, shit's gotten real!
...Then a fucking deus ex machina happens.
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Manga readers, are there going to be more deus ex machinas like this?

Sep 14, 2017 6:16 PM

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Omg I couldn't watch. Had to cover my eyes while Riko was suffering in pain 😭😭😭 Reg 😭😭😭😭

I was actually dissapointed in the part where Reg begins cutting off her arm, because the camera was zoomed more at a distance, and Riko wasn't screaming when he was cutting off her arm, only when he broke it.

Sep 14, 2017 6:29 PM

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Chdata said:
It also has more emotion than Elfen Lied. Gratuitous gore on its own is just a waste of time.

It's very uncommon for me to see an anime with gore or anything close to it represented in an authentic way. It doesn't really matter if guts are spilling and bones are peaking out of people's limbs if it's happening for no reason and is full of lots of fake crying or stupidly unrealistic scenarios.

Maybe Another/Higurashi/Blood C/Corpse Party are actually deeper than just being 'mindless gratuitous gore' animes? I haven't seen them, since Elfen Lied/Akame are my first impressions for how fake or forced gore-themed animes are.

Consensus of both the general community and critics is that Higurashi is actually very good. I can't say the same for any of the others. I haven't seen Higurashi; the only one of those shows I have seen is Elfen Lied, where at first I was laughing at the gore and after a while I sort of numbly accepted it as a "new normal" for the duration of the show.

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I want a Nanachi body pillow. Not a body pillow with her drawn onto it, but one in the shape of her.

Isn't that just a big plushie? :)

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Sep 14, 2017 6:48 PM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
Riko's dying, RoBro has to cut off her own, shit's gotten real!
...Then a fucking deus ex machina happens.
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Manga readers, are there going to be more deus ex machinas like this?

Nanachi saving Riko isn't a deus ex machina. She came for her own reasons. And besides, she already tells Reg that Riko's arm won't be normal again.

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TheDustyRed said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:
Riko's dying, RoBro has to cut off her own, shit's gotten real!
...Then a fucking deus ex machina happens.
sighs.
Manga readers, are there going to be more deus ex machinas like this?

Nanachi saving Riko isn't a deus ex machina. She came for her own reasons. And besides, she already tells Reg that Riko's arm won't be normal again.

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

TheDustyRed said:

Nanachi saving Riko isn't a deus ex machina. She came for her own reasons. And besides, she already tells Reg that Riko's arm won't be normal again.

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

Seeing as Nanachi has big ears, and resides in that layer, it wasn't implausible for her notice them. It isn't implausible either for a being like her to exist, seeing as there's Reg and all those creatures; so it's something to expect, in that world. Plus, the Abyss isn't THAT wide.

About 300 meters?

Sep 14, 2017 7:25 PM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

TheDustyRed said:

Nanachi saving Riko isn't a deus ex machina. She came for her own reasons. And besides, she already tells Reg that Riko's arm won't be normal again.

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

The episode starts off with Reg saying they're being watched. It's not "implausible" when before anything even happens they set that up. It was meant to make you think that the Tamaugachi was watching them but moving while they were talking, trying to be unnoticed didn't match up with the type of creature they found.

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TheDustyRed said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

The episode starts off with Reg saying they're being watched. It's not "implausible" when before anything even happens they set that up. It was meant to make you think that the Tamaugachi was watching them but moving while they were talking, trying to be unnoticed didn't match up with the type of creature they found.

It still completely ruined any tension. Imagine how much more exciting it would be if Reg actually did cut off her arm, or found another way, all on his own, to patch it.

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TheDustyRed said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

The episode starts off with Reg saying they're being watched. It's not "implausible" when before anything even happens they set that up. It was meant to make you think that the Tamaugachi was watching them but moving while they were talking, trying to be unnoticed didn't match up with the type of creature they found.

I forgot to add.
Okay, so fine Tamagachi's presence was hinted at.
But she appears CONVENIANTLY when one of the characters' life is in danger, from poison, and CONVENIANTLY knows how to save them. The writer did this, so that Reg would not have to actually cut off Rika's arm.
It's "random", "unsupportable".
Just because Made in Abyss is about an abyss where anything can happen, doesn't mean that the writer is still incapable of creating obvious conveniences for the characters to be saved on the brink of death.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

TheDustyRed said:

The episode starts off with Reg saying they're being watched. It's not "implausible" when before anything even happens they set that up. It was meant to make you think that the Tamaugachi was watching them but moving while they were talking, trying to be unnoticed didn't match up with the type of creature they found.

I forgot to add.
Okay, so fine Tamagachi's presence was hinted at.
But she appears CONVENIANTLY when one of the characters' life is in danger, from poison, and CONVENIANTLY knows how to save them. The writer did this, so that Reg would not have to actually cut off Rika's arm.
It's "random", "unsupportable".
Just because Made in Abyss is about an abyss where anything can happen, doesn't mean that the writer is still incapable of creating obvious conveniences for the characters to be saved on the brink of death.

Compare the situation they were in with a couple in a realistic world, in a forest near civilization, trying to find shelter. They'd have traveled a relatively long distance and then found a hut. In that hut they could rest.
In Reg and Riku's case, it was their voice that 'traveled a relatively long distance' until they found a 'hut', i.e, a resident.

She had been hearing them, and decided to offer help as their noise annoyed her. She knowing how to deal with poison is a survival skill needed by anyone having to survive there. (But eh, we dunno if she's a cure or if she'll use some technique, like having her hand bleed.)
The writer made a character like Nanachi appear because the kids were just not prepared enough; it's clear that she's experienced. He then puts them in a dire situation, before having the character make the appearance (which is, well, something optional).
It's supportable. It's relatively random, but because like this it's more exciting as it's more unexpected (but yeah you could argue that in many stories it's common for outside help to appear in dire situations).

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

I forgot to add.
Okay, so fine Tamagachi's presence was hinted at.
But she appears CONVENIANTLY when one of the characters' life is in danger, from poison, and CONVENIANTLY knows how to save them. The writer did this, so that Reg would not have to actually cut off Rika's arm.
It's "random", "unsupportable".
Just because Made in Abyss is about an abyss where anything can happen, doesn't mean that the writer is still incapable of creating obvious conveniences for the characters to be saved on the brink of death.

Compare the situation they were in with a couple in a realistic world, in a forest near civilization, trying to find shelter. They'd have traveled a relatively long distance and then found a hut. In that hut they could rest.
In Reg and Riku's case, it was their voice that 'traveled a relatively long distance' until they found a 'hut', i.e, a resident.

She had been hearing them, and decided to offer help as their noise annoyed her. She knowing how to deal with poison is a survival skill needed by anyone having to survive there. (But eh, we dunno if she's a cure or if she'll use some technique, like having her hand bleed.)
The writer made a character like Nanachi appear because the kids were just not prepared enough; it's clear that she's experienced. He then puts them in a dire situation, before having the character make the appearance (which is, well, something optional).
It's supportable. It's relatively random, but because like this it's more exciting as it's more unexpected (but yeah you could argue that in many stories it's common for outside help to appear in dire situations).

Alright. I give up. You win. It's not a deus ex machina. Your logic, makes too much sense.
BUT!...that doesn't change the fact that for ME...the tension, was killed, which I already explained.

Sep 14, 2017 8:57 PM

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holy shit i have no words not sense steins gate mayuris death have i had such a reaction on horror on my face i mean the detail the blood the bone snap for a fee seconds there i thought this would be one of those shows where the main characters just die and thats it this is a 10 out of 10 episode any show that can get an audible response out of me gains all my respect

Sep 15, 2017 1:19 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

TheDustyRed said:

The episode starts off with Reg saying they're being watched. It's not "implausible" when before anything even happens they set that up. It was meant to make you think that the Tamaugachi was watching them but moving while they were talking, trying to be unnoticed didn't match up with the type of creature they found.

I forgot to add.
Okay, so fine Tamagachi's presence was hinted at.
But she appears CONVENIANTLY when one of the characters' life is in danger, from poison, and CONVENIANTLY knows how to save them. The writer did this, so that Reg would not have to actually cut off Rika's arm.
It's "random", "unsupportable".
Just because Made in Abyss is about an abyss where anything can happen, doesn't mean that the writer is still incapable of creating obvious conveniences for the characters to be saved on the brink of death.

You are making me cringe so much. It was already confirmed Nanachi's presence since the beginning of the episode. So they were being watched all the time. I'm sure that if you do 2+2 you can find the answer by yourself.
It WASN'T random

Sep 15, 2017 6:55 AM

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Ewww, imagine Riko bleeding from every orifice, just as Regu described because the Abyss gets worse and worse.

And then it REALLY HAPPENS. Her hand gets stabbed, she's poisoned, blood comes out everywhere and her hand is swollen to at least five times its normal size. OMG. Poor Riko. If Regu weren't there, she would've died a LOOOONG time ago.

Jesus Christ her broken arm made me cringe so hard.

Btw, I noticed that Regu can even cry. He eats, cries, etc.

Finally, the bunny girl from the OP, Nanachi makes an appearance. She's so cute.

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Xenocrisi said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

I forgot to add.
Okay, so fine Tamagachi's presence was hinted at.
But she appears CONVENIANTLY when one of the characters' life is in danger, from poison, and CONVENIANTLY knows how to save them. The writer did this, so that Reg would not have to actually cut off Rika's arm.
It's "random", "unsupportable".
Just because Made in Abyss is about an abyss where anything can happen, doesn't mean that the writer is still incapable of creating obvious conveniences for the characters to be saved on the brink of death.

You are making me cringe so much. It was already confirmed Nanachi's presence since the beginning of the episode. So they were being watched all the time. I'm sure that if you do 2+2 you can find the answer by yourself.
It WASN'T random

What really matters is HOW she was able to find them, not that she had already found them. But we discussed enough there.

Sep 15, 2017 8:23 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

TheDustyRed said:

Nanachi saving Riko isn't a deus ex machina. She came for her own reasons. And besides, she already tells Reg that Riko's arm won't be normal again.

Uh, it's completely subjective whether it's poor writing or not, but by pure literary definition, that was a deus ex machina man.
Definition of deus ex machina:
"refers to the incidence where an implausible concept or character is brought into the story in order to make the conflict in the story resolve and to bring about a pleasing solution. The use of Deus ex Machina is not recommended as it is seen to be the mark of a poor plot that the writer needs to resort to random, insupportable and unbelievable twists and turns to reach the end of the story."
http://literary-devices.com/content/deus-ex-machina

Deus Ex Machinas on their own aren't really a bad thing in the first place.

Otherwise people would hate Jojo's Bizarre adventure and consider it to be trash, because almost every situation is resolved by completely ridiculous nonsense. Star Finger anyone?

It sounds more like you're a parrot who heard someone explain why deus ex machinas are bad, and then started thinking the same way.

The only really poor design is when it's the power of friendship that overcome things, godmods, or anything with poorly explained logic.

Jojo's deus ex machinas are perfectly fine because they're absolutely hilarious.

Made in Abyss's is perfectly fine because it's fairly realistic within the boundaries of this story's universe.

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You jokers need to watch episode 11 before you continue arguing about how Nanachi happened to find them.

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Chdata said:

Otherwise people would hate Jojo's Bizarre adventure and consider it to be trash, because almost every situation is resolved by completely ridiculous nonsense. Star Finger anyone?

It sounds more like you're a parrot who heard someone explain why deus ex machinas are bad, and then started thinking the same way.

The only really poor design is when it's the power of friendship that overcome things, godmods, or anything with poorly explained logic.

Jojo's deus ex machinas are perfectly fine because they're absolutely hilarious.

It doesn't excuses JoJo having been badly written. The thing about JoJo is that the author wanted much coolness and went too wild with their power mechanic. So anyway, he couldn't structure them well, and ended up having to do Ass Pulls and such in order to continue the story. The Star Finger is the perfect example of this, that I can remember; the author wanted a fight in a whirlpool (because coolness) but couldn't couldn't have Jotaro as he is, win such a fight... So his solution was that. And so, yeah: because of all the 'crazy stuff' that happens, people forgive the flaws; they're rewarded enough, to make up for it.

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You jokers need to watch episode 11 before you continue arguing about how Nanachi happened to find them.

She didn't explain how. She just happened to find them, and Riko's White Whistle made her curious.
But it wasn't improbable for her to find them, as I suspect she's enhanced senses for being half animal (besides being experienced, and that place being her turf, etc.).

Sep 15, 2017 9:30 AM

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Goddamn, almost half of the Episode is hurtful to watch and I teared up myself seeing Riko suffers... Didn't expect It turn to be this dark when I heard It's gonna be a dark series. I just hope She's okay in the next Episode.

Maybe I'll read the manga too someday, I'm kind of interested in how the story will turn out later...

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Sep 15, 2017 1:14 PM

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The scene was kinda disgusting. I have had my fair share of gore but was still pretty disgusted.

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Rehls said:

Chdata said:

Otherwise people would hate Jojo's Bizarre adventure and consider it to be trash, because almost every situation is resolved by completely ridiculous nonsense. Star Finger anyone?

It sounds more like you're a parrot who heard someone explain why deus ex machinas are bad, and then started thinking the same way.

The only really poor design is when it's the power of friendship that overcome things, godmods, or anything with poorly explained logic.

Jojo's deus ex machinas are perfectly fine because they're absolutely hilarious.

It doesn't excuses JoJo having been badly written. The thing about JoJo is that the author wanted much coolness and went too wild with their power mechanic. So anyway, he couldn't structure them well, and ended up having to do Ass Pulls and such in order to continue the story. The Star Finger is the perfect example of this, that I can remember; the author wanted a fight in a whirlpool (because coolness) but couldn't couldn't have Jotaro as he is, win such a fight... So his solution was that. And so, yeah: because of all the 'crazy stuff' that happens, people forgive the flaws; they're rewarded enough, to make up for it.

Chdata said:
You jokers need to watch episode 11 before you continue arguing about how Nanachi happened to find them.

She didn't explain how. She just happened to find them, and Riko's White Whistle made her curious.
But it wasn't improbable for her to find them, as I suspect she's enhanced senses for being half animal (besides being experienced, and that place being her turf, etc.).

Eh, but the ass pulls are what makes it so hilarious, and if it's very well accepted, then its done its job of being entertaining and selling well.

Also, I'm pretty sure her enhanced hearing, and the fact that they walked into her regular hunting grounds, ARE the explanation for how she found them.

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Sep 16, 2017 1:46 AM

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I've seen my share for gore and suffering, both in animated and live action media, but I'll admit it was hard to watch Riko go through that. The voice acting was top-notch. It makes me glad when shows don't shy away from showing content like this. It goes a long way to showing the struggles of the characters.

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First of all, I agree with you that this entire journey is stupid and if Riko didn't have Reg with her, she would be dead before she enters the third layer.

Its reckless as fuck, yes, but people need to keep in mind that Riko herself isn't normal. Her backstory is that she is basically a child of the Abyss, the product of a miracle and Ozen speculates that she will eventually just revert back to being dead meat. Also since birth she's been drawn toward to center of the Abyss, and for some reason either her mother or someone else wants her to go down to the bottom - there is probably a reason for that.

I suppose if Lyza really is down there she's either completely fucking mad or she realizes its Riko's fate to dwell in the Abyss and really the only way to possibly avoid becoming dead meat anyhow is through some sort of transcendence perhaps...

So its not just a matter of her being a dumb child, at least not to my mind. The girl is practically being pulled into the damn hole metaphysically...

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If it had not been for the "soft puppet" to arrive, I would have had a hysterical attack, given Reg.'s behavior. Despite Riko's resolve to go down the Aisle, he still remains a little girl, and his care punished, also blamed Reg's little resolve to make a decision. During the most dramatic phase I had to stop the video to avoid problems on my laptop, yes! I look forward to the coming of episodes, to see the next, I'm too curious to know the new character better.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
BUT!...that doesn't change the fact that for ME...the tension, was killed, which I already explained.

Jesus fuck, stop being so edgy.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
BUT!...that doesn't change the fact that for ME...the tension, was killed, which I already explained.

Jesus fuck, stop being so edgy.

How am I being edgy? I clearly explained that for me, when Nanachi came out to save Riko and Reg, it killed the tension I was feeling at that moment, even if it was NOT a deus ex machina.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

bastek66 said:

Jesus fuck, stop being so edgy.

How am I being edgy? I clearly explained that for me, when Nanachi came out to save Riko and Reg, it killed the tension I was feeling at that moment, even if it was NOT a deus ex machina.

You want poor girl to suffer and lose arm for small dose of tension. That's edgy as fuck.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

How am I being edgy? I clearly explained that for me, when Nanachi came out to save Riko and Reg, it killed the tension I was feeling at that moment, even if it was NOT a deus ex machina.

You want poor girl to suffer and lose arm for small dose of tension. That's edgy as fuck.

???
Not really. Many people, including myself, don't like it when a character is in a situation where they need to sacrifice something, or are on the verge of death, but then another character comes and saves them, ruining the tension.
If the writer was going to make it so that Reg wouldn't have to cut off Rika's arm, I'd prefer it if it was accomplished by Reg finding a way on his OWN, rather than getting help from an outsider like that, which just felt cheap.

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My gosh... Riko's arm... and that is way beyond "swollen".
This anime stepped a little closer to that "R" rating MAL gave it.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
Not really. Many people, including myself, don't like it when a character is in a situation where they need to sacrifice something, or are on the verge of death, but then another character comes and saves them, ruining the tension.
If the writer was going to make it so that Reg wouldn't have to cut off Rika's arm, I'd prefer it if it was accomplished by Reg finding a way on his OWN, rather than getting help from an outsider like that, which just felt cheap.

But Reg doesn't know a shit due to amnesia.

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:
Not really. Many people, including myself, don't like it when a character is in a situation where they need to sacrifice something, or are on the verge of death, but then another character comes and saves them, ruining the tension.
If the writer was going to make it so that Reg wouldn't have to cut off Rika's arm, I'd prefer it if it was accomplished by Reg finding a way on his OWN, rather than getting help from an outsider like that, which just felt cheap.

But Reg doesn't know a shit due to amnesia.

I don't care. This is fiction, anything can happen. Anything can be reconstructed and still be logical to keep tension.

Sep 16, 2017 8:38 PM

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This episode was so hard to watch ARGHHHHTHEY'RE GOING THROUGH SO MUCH SUFFERING ASGDFHJ T_T

The voice actors did so well! Especially Riko's screams like??

Sep 17, 2017 9:15 AM

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Bloody episode and now our young hero is in dangerous!!!
She is a "hueco", what? :/

Sep 18, 2017 6:20 PM

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Well this was not bad but i have seen way more darker things than that, by reading what Manga readers were promising i thought i will see some very dark stuff lol.

A lot of manga readers need to learn to shut the fuck up and never over-hype their shows to the public because it will cause a disappointment.

Anyway the episode is still good imo and definitely this is the best one in the entire series which has been average so far.

The world setting is still great so far, i would like to see more creativity and less melodrama and comedic bullshit in the next 2 episodes, show me the damn Abyss.

Sep 19, 2017 9:47 PM

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As soon as Reg said the fourth layer caused "bleeding from the orifices", I knew we were in for some disturbing shit. Like this jumped from PG-13 to R real quick.

Thankfully, Nanachi came to rescue our adventurers. My first impression of her was "Totoro with evil eyes", but that was just on account of that giant coat she was wearing, and she seems nice/wanting to help Reg and Riko.

I swear this show unleashes my inner mom that I didn't even realize I had. I kinda want Reg and Riko to turn back because if Riko is bleeding from the eyes at the fourth layer...Jesus, I don't even want to think about what's ahead.

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Had me little worried for a while until that random character(nice coincidence huh?) showed up, now everything will go smooth.

Looks like, Fifth Layer will be even more interesting! (˙ ͜ʟ˙)

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Great episode, definitely a hard to watch scene. But I appreciate the detail and lack of obscuring the graphic parts.

Sep 24, 2017 7:12 AM

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GOD that went insane level fast. Like wow I am impressed. Anime of the season, period.

Sep 25, 2017 2:23 AM

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Well, that was not what I expected.

Sep 26, 2017 11:53 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

AnimeFan500 said:
Omg I couldn't watch. Had to cover my eyes while Riko was suffering in pain 😭😭😭 Reg 😭😭😭😭

I was actually dissapointed in the part where Reg begins cutting off her arm, because the camera was zoomed more at a distance, and Riko wasn't screaming when he was cutting off her arm, only when he broke it.

Probably she was already passed out from the pain of the bone breaking.

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Sep 27, 2017 7:30 PM

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I think this sort of episode was necessary. The whole abyss thing was becoming pretty easy for the two.

Sep 28, 2017 2:47 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

bastek66 said:

But Reg doesn't know a shit due to amnesia.

I don't care. This is fiction, anything can happen. Anything can be reconstructed and still be logical to keep tension.

First things first... I'm ganna pretend you never wrote the whole "why wasn't she screaming in pain when Reg is cutting off her arm after he broke it in 2"
That comment was that stupid.

While I understand your stance on there should be consequences to your bad decisions, I have a lot of problem with the following

First
Complain about Deus Ex ass pull

Then complain about it not ruin Reg's entire character by suddenly growing from frail as heck mental fortitude to suddenly able to deal with nightmare-ish circumstances because apparently it's better that way.

And you defend abandoning what is literally the core characteristic of Reg's, to create a story which will go more in favor of what you preference, forcing an asspull growth out of a character that was never even prepared for such growth.

And that is okay because "I don't care this is fiction anything could happen"
...

Hypocrisy much?

Having Reg save Riko will destroy the entire premise of his character... And that is okay because "it's fiction"

Stop trying to be edge for the sake of "I am dark and mature", rather you should
1 Watch the show
2 Recognize the logic/world building that is established in the show
3 Analyze the character
4 Understand the limitations that are placed on the character/setting

Then, make an actual "intelligent" opinion/comment
Your whole"I like it dark, and really mature and shit cuz I am smart and mature" comes off really fake to be honest.

That's all I gatha say.

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AirStyles said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

I don't care. This is fiction, anything can happen. Anything can be reconstructed and still be logical to keep tension.

First things first... I'm ganna pretend you never wrote the whole "why wasn't she screaming in pain when Reg is cutting off her arm after he broke it in 2"
That comment was that stupid.

While I understand your stance on there should be consequences to your bad decisions, I have a lot of problem with the following

First
Complain about Deus Ex ass pull

Then complain about it not ruin Reg's entire character by suddenly growing from frail as heck mental fortitude to suddenly able to deal with nightmare-ish circumstances because apparently it's better that way.

And you defend abandoning what is literally the core characteristic of Reg's, to create a story which will go more in favor of what you preference, forcing an asspull growth out of a character that was never even prepared for such growth.

And that is okay because "I don't care this is fiction anything could happen"
...

Hypocrisy much?

Having Reg save Riko will destroy the entire premise of his character... And that is okay because "it's fiction"

Stop trying to be edge for the sake of "I am dark and mature", rather you should
1 Watch the show
2 Recognize the logic/world building that is established in the show
3 Analyze the character
4 Understand the limitations that are placed on the character/setting

Then, make an actual "intelligent" opinion/comment
Your whole"I like it dark, and really mature and shit cuz I am smart and mature" comes off really fake to be honest.

That's all I gatha say.

Yeah, I don't care.
This is fiction, not a documentary.
The, "Well, this is how the story's logic is, it's limited so the author can't improve" excuse is the laziest thing you can come up with. Seriously.
Writer could've made Reg someone who could at least TRY to get shit done without crying constantly.
Writer could've made it so that Riko had maybe a day or two, giving Reg plenty of time to search for a cure.
Besides, Reg doesn't really have a baseline personality.
I don't care about how dark the scene is I care about how EARNED, it feels.
And for me, nothing felt earned: Reg didn't have to do jack.

"Limitations"?
I've spent over 4 years working on a book. Currently, it's nothing like how it initially started. I never thought, "Oh well, I can't make this character or setting more fleshed out, because the story's set up this way", I thought, "Okay, I need to make massive changes if I want to fit everything in".

Sep 28, 2017 9:34 PM

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So I was in a car accident tonight... My car being pretty much a write off. So I figured I'd try and take my mind off it and carry on at this episode.

I feel worse than when I sat staring at the mangled front of my Acura

I'm no Weeaboo
I'm Katsura

Sep 29, 2017 12:30 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

/snip

you care about "EARNED".

Granted, if Reg previously in the story was shown some paperwork with drawing of rare herbs from the abyss, even if it's a drawing on a blackboard in class, then it could work that way.

But... Reg only had 10 days of survival training, few days of schooling, not to mention his knowledge is non-existent when it comes to the abyss.

So, cry baby Reg, somehow just asspull some emergency knowledge out of his butthole (And yes, he have one) to save Riko, that's "EARNED"?

F*ck sakes,
You complain about Deus Ex Machina, and you supports a far worse offense of Deus Ex Machina.

Yeah, I don't care.
This is fiction, not a documentary.

That's the key point.

You're only complaining because it didn't went the way you wish it did, the importance of world building, character development and logical flow of the story means nothing to you.

You simply do not care.

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AirStyles said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

/snip

you care about "EARNED".

Granted, if Reg previously in the story was shown some paperwork with drawing of rare herbs from the abyss, even if it's a drawing on a blackboard in class, then it could work that way.

But... Reg only had 10 days of survival training, few days of schooling, not to mention his knowledge is non-existent when it comes to the abyss.

So, cry baby Reg, somehow just asspull some emergency knowledge out of his butthole (And yes, he have one) to save Riko, that's "EARNED"?

F*ck sakes,
You complain about Deus Ex Machina, and you supports a far worse offense of Deus Ex Machina.

Your lack of imagination ceases to amaze me. This is how it could've been done:
1) Riko informs Reg that the poison will kill her in at least a day, and tells him of a type of medicinal plant or whatever that can cure it.
2) Reg took far more lessons in school, rather than a short amount of time, and knows there's a cure.

Yeah, I don't care.
This is fiction, not a documentary.

That's the key point.

You're only complaining because it didn't went the way you wish it did, the importance of world building, character development and logical flow of the story means nothing to you.

You simply do not care.[/quote]

Wow. Even by straw man standards, you're amazing.
Are you kidding me?
When have I mentioned I don't care about logic?
The writer could've CHANGED the logic, in a way that would've fitted my tastes.
Have you heard of drafting?
Guess what pal, writers don't just take a pen, start writing, and BAM!
Writers spend exhausting amount of hours, making changes, changing the LOGIC, of the story, to make it more interesting.
You're like a 6 year old child covering his ears screaming. Scratch that, a 6 year old is more mature than you.

Sep 29, 2017 3:39 AM

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9/10 for this episode
11/10 for voice actor

Sep 29, 2017 3:49 AM

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ThatCynicalOtaku said:

AirStyles said:

you care about "EARNED".

Granted, if Reg previously in the story was shown some paperwork with drawing of rare herbs from the abyss, even if it's a drawing on a blackboard in class, then it could work that way.

But... Reg only had 10 days of survival training, few days of schooling, not to mention his knowledge is non-existent when it comes to the abyss.

So, cry baby Reg, somehow just asspull some emergency knowledge out of his butthole (And yes, he have one) to save Riko, that's "EARNED"?

F*ck sakes,
You complain about Deus Ex Machina, and you supports a far worse offense of Deus Ex Machina.

Your lack of imagination ceases to amaze me. This is how it could've been done:
1) Riko informs Reg that the poison will kill her in at least a day, and tells him of a type of medicinal plant or whatever that can cure it.
2) Reg took far more lessons in school, rather than a short amount of time, and knows there's a cure.

Yeah, I don't care.
This is fiction, not a documentary.

That's the key point.

You're only complaining because it didn't went the way you wish it did, the importance of world building, character development and logical flow of the story means nothing to you.

You simply do not care.

Wow. Even by straw man standards, you're amazing.
Are you kidding me?
When have I mentioned I don't care about logic?
The writer could've CHANGED the logic, in a way that would've fitted my tastes.
Have you heard of drafting?
Guess what pal, writers don't just take a pen, start writing, and BAM!
Writers spend exhausting amount of hours, making changes, changing the LOGIC, of the story, to make it more interesting.
You're like a 6 year old child covering his ears screaming. Scratch that, a 6 year old is more mature than you.

You suggested a worse deus ex machina as a fix, and when I pointed that out, you then backpaddle, said I lack imagination and proceed to advocate for rewriting of the whole story, amending character dynamics to your liking.

Ridiculous.

fact is.
1. You complain about Deus Ex Machina, there isn't one
2. You suggested a fix with a worse offense of Deus Ex Machina
3. I call you out on it
4. You defend yourself by suggesting things should feel EARNED
5. I further call you out on how it cannot be EARNED by having your version od Deus Ex
6. You call for the re-write of the entire story.

What are you going to do next after I further challenge you? Complain about the character setting of Reg and Riko being children instead of adults? Complaining about Riko wasn't kidnapped in her life which set up more life skills in your what if story?

You embarrassed yourself, and instead of taking this as a lesson and learn from it, you decide to doubling down on it.

This is painful to watch.

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AirStyles said:

ThatCynicalOtaku said:

Your lack of imagination ceases to amaze me. This is how it could've been done:
1) Riko informs Reg that the poison will kill her in at least a day, and tells him of a type of medicinal plant or whatever that can cure it.
2) Reg took far more lessons in school, rather than a short amount of time, and knows there's a cure.

That's the key point.

You're only complaining because it didn't went the way you wish it did, the importance of world building, character development and logical flow of the story means nothing to you.

You simply do not care.

Wow. Even by straw man standards, you're amazing.
Are you kidding me?
When have I mentioned I don't care about logic?
The writer could've CHANGED the logic, in a way that would've fitted my tastes.
Have you heard of drafting?
Guess what pal, writers don't just take a pen, start writing, and BAM!
Writers spend exhausting amount of hours, making changes, changing the LOGIC, of the story, to make it more interesting.
You're like a 6 year old child covering his ears screaming. Scratch that, a 6 year old is more mature than you.

You suggested a worse deus ex machina as a fix, and when I pointed that out, you then backpaddle, said I lack imagination and proceed to advocate for rewriting of the whole story, amending character dynamics to your liking.

Ridiculous.

fact is.
1. You complain about Deus Ex Machina, there isn't one
2. You suggested a fix with a worse offense of Deus Ex Machina
3. I call you out on it
4. You defend yourself by suggesting things should feel EARNED
5. I further call you out on how it cannot be EARNED by having your version od Deus Ex
6. You call for the re-write of the entire story.

What are you going to do next after I further challenge you? Complain about the character setting of Reg and Riko being children instead of adults? Complaining about Riko wasn't kidnapped in her life which set up more life skills in your what if story?

You embarrassed yourself, and instead of taking this as a lesson and learn from it, you decide to doubling down on it.

This is painful to watch.

2) None of the solutions I suggested qualify as a Deus EX Machina, because nothing is implausible about Rika and Reg knowing about a cure to the monster's attack, because they spent their lives learning about monsters.
Like a straw man, you haven't properly argued as to what about my solution implies a,"Deus Ex Machina"
6) Yeah...no fucking shit, what do you think criticism implies? "Ahh, I have a problem with you story, b-but, d-don't rewrite, I know it's stress and all"
Fuck you.
I wish the story was REWRITTEN a LITTLE, so I wouldn't have to watch something as cheap as another character, saving the characters' lives, for their screw up.
That's called drafting. That's called IMPROVING. That's called criticism from your audience.

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Ehh. You guys... I mean, we lack sufficient knowledge to suggest a flawless alternative. You're both wrong, I can state (regarding the below).

"ThatCynicalOtaku said: Writer could've made it so that Riko had maybe a day or two, giving Reg plenty of time to search for a cure."

That causes problems. It's to do with poison being more powerful against smaller beings [circulation]. That creature doesn't hunts exclusively small beings. Its poison should've been developed to effectively disable beings of size close to it. Now a day for it to have significant effect on those creatures wouldn't be viable... It'd make it worthless. Because A: the place's dangerous, even for that creature--meaning it most likely can't chase the creature too far [which's been reinforced by what Nanachi said, that the creature tends to own a territory]. B: Its spikes (that can pierce steel) would've been (too) much more effective, compared.
So it's safe to say that it's hell-a potent, and thus would be even more against some small child.

"AirStyles said: Granted, if Reg previously in the story was shown some paperwork with drawing of rare herbs from the abyss, even if it's a drawing on a blackboard in class, then it could work that way."

Why'd some herb contain properties capable of combating some specific form of poison...coming from some living being? That's too convenient and unrealistic. These creatures develop these poisons--to which these plants never are exposed to--so how can they form a defense against it? (To know more we'd have to know more about 'poisons'--which I don't, but the general idea is this--that something has to be exposed to form a defense.) In that part what Nanachi had to do was inject Mitty with the poison to have her develop antibodies against it--thus helping produce a medicine to combat it.

What ThatCynicalOtaku complained about is pretty valid as it's uncommon for outside help to come so conveniently, in reality. But it's been done by choice of the author, due to it being *preferred*--not due to him cornering himself in his writing. *ThatCynicalOtaku you should understand that it was so due to the pros weighing the cons.*

And well, besides his alternative (which is the least significant detail), pretty much everything else AirStyles said is what I can agree with for I finding it correct.

"ThatCynicalOtaku said: None of the solutions I suggested qualify as a Deus EX Machina, because nothing is implausible about Rika and Reg knowing about a cure to the monster's attack, because they spent their lives learning about monsters."

(To the point): but the major thing is, that as with everything else, it'd come with pros and cons; so it isn't that simple. (And you can notice that you're suggesting simplicity yourself--which'd have the con of it being cheaper.)

So what else should I say about this? Ah, not sure--I've spent too long already.

edit: *outweighing

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