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Mar 27, 2019 3:44 AM
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There was an exception for memes so they are safe. The link tax will fair, google will just stop linking and the sites will cry out when they have a 50% drop in views and profits. It's already happened in Spain and the sites begged them to come back.

This is all about getting internet filters on every site so the EU can control everything and the site will be to blame if there's something on there the EU don't like.

It's another reason why I want to leave the EU, a rule passed that not a single person wanted apart from a party in Germany. Protests after protests and they still passed it, what's even sadder is that the Tories will pass this through too but at least we can voted them out.
Mar 27, 2019 7:31 AM

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a rule passed that not a single person wanted apart from a party in Germany.

Uhh, I also don't like it, but let's not ignore facts. In Poland there even was an organized action by few more poplar newspapers to ask politicians to support it. Because of our hobbies we see only one side so it all seems like "everybody" is with us, but there is other side too and they also believe they are right.
Mar 27, 2019 7:42 AM
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Terkhev said:

Uhh, I also don't like it, but let's not ignore facts. In Poland there even was an organized action by few more poplar newspapers to ask politicians to support it. Because of our hobbies we see only one side so it all seems like "everybody" is with us, but there is other side too and they also believe they are right.

The same popular newspapers will be begging for it to be cancelled within a year, have you met anyone online or off-line that was for this? I haven't seen anyone offer support for it except paid off politicians.

9x% of people are against this.
Mar 27, 2019 7:59 AM

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Terkhev said:

Uhh, I also don't like it, but let's not ignore facts. In Poland there even was an organized action by few more poplar newspapers to ask politicians to support it. Because of our hobbies we see only one side so it all seems like "everybody" is with us, but there is other side too and they also believe they are right.

The same popular newspapers will be begging for it to be cancelled within a year, have you met anyone online or off-line that was for this? I haven't seen anyone offer support for it except paid off politicians.

9x% of people are against this.[/quote
Again, it's just your observation based on your environment. You also can't assume it will go wrongly - everything can happen. And yes, I know few people (young, surprisingly) who think it's a good idea. They are minority, but I wouldn't be surprised if in some other place they became majority.
And sorry, unless you have actually made research on statistically viable sample, don't throw random %s.

In the end we won't know how it ends until we see. That's the reason I hate all the fearmongering by people who only heard about whole deal somewhere in internet and never read article themselves.
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Mar 27, 2019 8:13 AM

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They took away its teeth. Content filters are no longer required and hosts must make a "good faith effort" to remove copyrighted content. It also makes an exemption for your maymays.
Mar 27, 2019 8:19 AM
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Aldnox said:
How the hell do you even enforce this properly?


It won't be necessarily enforced as "properly" as you think. The source mentions AI technology in case you were picturing thousands of dudes desperately trying to take down videos over copyright claims.

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I've said this time and again, but they should really lower the retirement age for officials working in governing bodies. Yes it's going to cost millions, but it's a better alternative than having senile policy-makers fucking up the world with their out-of-touch laws.


With all my respect but I think there's a lot more to it than just a bunch of "senile" 85-year-old politics being out of touch.
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Mar 27, 2019 9:19 AM

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k months later I still don't understand what this is, and what it would do. Either way, I don't think this will do anything. It's got fat old people in suits behind it anyway.

Still, can I ask someone to explain this thing in non-big boy political terms?
Mar 27, 2019 10:14 AM

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So hows that not putting regulations on Corperations to prevent them filling politicians pockets with money working for you all?
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
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Mar 27, 2019 10:35 AM

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I hate this happens, now we are messed up.
Mar 27, 2019 11:18 AM
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ShadowMonkey said:

Still, can I ask someone to explain this thing in non-big boy political terms?


The two clauses causing the most controversy are known as Article 11 and Article 13.

Article 11 states that search engines and news aggregate platforms should pay to use links from news websites.

Article 13 holds larger technology companies responsible for material posted without a copyright licence. Tech companies already remove music and videos which are copyrighted, but under the new laws they will be more liable for any copyrighted content.

It means they would need to apply filters to content before it is uploaded.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47708144

and the technology is not here yet for that bold part
Mar 27, 2019 11:31 AM
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Aldnox said:
How the hell do you even enforce this properly?
It won't be necessarily enforced as "properly" as you think. The source mentions AI technology in case you were picturing thousands of dudes desperately trying to take down videos over copyright claims.
That certainly increases their chances, I didn't think of that. That brings with it a whole bunch of new issues though. Even disregarding those, one of the things I had in mind when I said it would be hard to enforce was, websites in countries not part of the EU can simply refuse to take the content down, and the EU has no power to force them to do so.
Mar 27, 2019 1:10 PM

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Soon, they'll even ban humming a song in public. If someone from EMI hears you humming a Beatles song, they'll throw in a copyright strike on your a$$. I hate this art13.
Mar 27, 2019 1:29 PM
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Catalano said:
Soon, they'll even ban humming a song in public. If someone from EMI hears you humming a Beatles song, they'll throw in a copyright strike on your a$$. I hate this art13.
At first I laughed at this but then I got sad because some part of my brain was able to imagine this as a real thing in the future.
Mar 27, 2019 1:56 PM

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I think this is a good thing. With Article 13 passed more people will realize how detrimental the European Union is to both Europe and the world.

And for you Americans that think this won't impact you just wait for the upcoming years when it will spread thanks to globalism
Mar 27, 2019 1:59 PM

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I think this is a good thing. With Article 13 passed more people will realize how detrimental the European Union is to both Europe and the world.

And for you Americans that think this won't impact you just wait for the upcoming years when it will spread thanks to unchecked capitalism


I fixed that for you to be more accurate.
Also if you hate globalism why are you watching anime?


You blame globalism

Meenwhile greedy corperations that are from your own country and spend thousands of dollar lobbying for this.

GrimAtramentMar 27, 2019 2:05 PM
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Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

Mar 27, 2019 2:04 PM

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hazarddex said:
Omnimaniac said:
I think this is a good thing. With Article 13 passed more people will realize how detrimental the European Union is to both Europe and the world.

And for you Americans that think this won't impact you just wait for the upcoming years when it will spread thanks to unchecked capitalism


I fixed that for you to be more accurate.
Also if you hate globalism why are you watching anime?


I don't hate globalism, but currently globalism is used as a tool of those in power.
Mar 27, 2019 3:23 PM

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@Aldnox Well, I meant it as a joke, but keep in mind that when communists were ruling my country, listening to western bands and singers weren't viewed that good, some guys from my dad's workplace got in trouble for having some Beatles discs. I hope this change won't start a witch hunt on the internet.
Mar 27, 2019 6:38 PM
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Will this affect any of the websites out there in regards to anime? As much as I want to spend my hard earned money on anime, for a lot of shows that I want to watch (that are old and forgotten by a lot of people) I have to turn to the dark side of matters. Will this article impact that? I am presuming it will but I want to hear from you guys
Mar 27, 2019 7:20 PM

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People on here are begging for censorship, and when you get it you start crying? Absolutely no sympathy for these people. I hope the government checks every single post you make on the internet for illegal forms of expression.
Mar 28, 2019 9:49 AM

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Since when the EU did something good for its people? They prefer to work on this and if we should eat insects...

The EU is a failure project. We should follow UK example immediately before they ruin our life and freedom even more.

Mar 28, 2019 12:18 PM
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Omnimaniac said:
hazarddex said:


I fixed that for you to be more accurate.
Also if you hate globalism why are you watching anime?


I don't hate globalism, but currently globalism is used as a tool of those in power.


globalization is cause by free trade that capitalism loves, the goal of capitalism is to maximize profit and no better way to do that than to make more customers globally

free trade is also good for the consumers since it makes prices cheaper due to intense competition (free market)

yes the elites or the rich or 1% is making things worse for like the 90-99% of the human population (like this crony capitalism favoring the rich more and worsening economic/wealth/income inequality more) but the the difference between the right wing solution and left wing solution should matter too

the left wing solution is to tax more this rich elite people in order to fund more better social programs like good free education and free healthcare in order for them to be ready and capable of getting better paying jobs, or because of automation advancements then universal basic income can help the none rich/elites more and its gonna be funded again by taxing the rich and their robots/AI/automation or else the capitalism economy will collapse if there is no more customers for this rich/elites

meanwhile the right wing solution is just blame it on the left wing, blame immigration, etc without a proper economic solution, just look at how the right wing voted for Trump that made the rich more richer by cutting more taxes while cutting more budget on social programs and also repealing a lot of environment protection that will be dangerous to the health
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Omnimaniac said:
I think this is a good thing. With Article 13 passed more people will realize how detrimental the European Union is to both Europe and the world.

And for you Americans that think this won't impact you just wait for the upcoming years when it will spread thanks to globalism


If they haven't realized it by now they never will. Welcome to 1984. Enjoy.
Mar 28, 2019 1:23 PM

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deg said:
Omnimaniac said:


I don't hate globalism, but currently globalism is used as a tool of those in power.


globalization is cause by free trade that capitalism loves, the goal of capitalism is to maximize profit and no better way to do that than to make more customers globally

free trade is also good for the consumers since it makes prices cheaper due to intense competition (free market)

yes the elites or the rich or 1% is making things worse for like the 90-99% of the human population (like this crony capitalism favoring the rich more and worsening economic/wealth/income inequality more) but the the difference between the right wing solution and left wing solution should matter too

the left wing solution is to tax more this rich elite people in order to fund more better social programs like good free education and free healthcare in order for them to be ready and capable of getting better paying jobs, or because of automation advancements then universal basic income can help the none rich/elites more and its gonna be funded again by taxing the rich and their robots/AI/automation or else the capitalism economy will collapse if there is no more customers for this rich/elites

meanwhile the right wing solution is just blame it on the left wing, blame immigration, etc without a proper economic solution, just look at how the right wing voted for Trump that made the rich more richer by cutting more taxes while cutting more budget on social programs and also repealing a lot of environment protection that will be dangerous to the health

The problem with the left wing solution is that the rich people don't have to live in the US that imposes high taxes on them because they can just open up shop in another country, and without the rich people cash cow you want to rely on to pay for all this "free" stuff who is left to pay? It's a pipe dream.
Mar 28, 2019 1:28 PM
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jennicide said:
deg said:


globalization is cause by free trade that capitalism loves, the goal of capitalism is to maximize profit and no better way to do that than to make more customers globally

free trade is also good for the consumers since it makes prices cheaper due to intense competition (free market)

yes the elites or the rich or 1% is making things worse for like the 90-99% of the human population (like this crony capitalism favoring the rich more and worsening economic/wealth/income inequality more) but the the difference between the right wing solution and left wing solution should matter too

the left wing solution is to tax more this rich elite people in order to fund more better social programs like good free education and free healthcare in order for them to be ready and capable of getting better paying jobs, or because of automation advancements then universal basic income can help the none rich/elites more and its gonna be funded again by taxing the rich and their robots/AI/automation or else the capitalism economy will collapse if there is no more customers for this rich/elites

meanwhile the right wing solution is just blame it on the left wing, blame immigration, etc without a proper economic solution, just look at how the right wing voted for Trump that made the rich more richer by cutting more taxes while cutting more budget on social programs and also repealing a lot of environment protection that will be dangerous to the health

The problem with the left wing solution is that the rich people don't have to live in the US that imposes high taxes on them because they can just open up shop in another country, and without the rich people cash cow you want to rely on to pay for all this "free" stuff who is left to pay? It's a pipe dream.


Economist calls for creation of global tax authority to tackle inequality
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-economist-creation-global-tax-authority.html

and that myth of the rich will just go elsewhere has been debunked many times like the following
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/05/10/high-taxes-dont-make-rich-people-move/#6f1bf5fb25e3
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/20/if-you-tax-the-rich-they-wont-leave-us-data-contradicts-millionaires-threats

New York and California for example have high taxes but those rich people stay there since they will not leave where they make a lot of profit that easily
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deg said:
jennicide said:

The problem with the left wing solution is that the rich people don't have to live in the US that imposes high taxes on them because they can just open up shop in another country, and without the rich people cash cow you want to rely on to pay for all this "free" stuff who is left to pay? It's a pipe dream.


Economist calls for creation of global tax authority to tackle inequality
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-economist-creation-global-tax-authority.html

and that myth of the rich will just go elsewhere has been debunked many times like the following
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/05/10/high-taxes-dont-make-rich-people-move/#6f1bf5fb25e3
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/20/if-you-tax-the-rich-they-wont-leave-us-data-contradicts-millionaires-threats

New York and California for example have high taxes but those rich people stay there since they will not leave where they make a lot of profit that easily

1. That will never happen LOL
2. Forbes and The Guardian as sources LMAO
3. I can find articles that say the opposite so... ROFL
Mar 28, 2019 1:47 PM
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jennicide said:
deg said:


Economist calls for creation of global tax authority to tackle inequality
https://phys.org/news/2018-11-economist-creation-global-tax-authority.html

and that myth of the rich will just go elsewhere has been debunked many times like the following
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/05/10/high-taxes-dont-make-rich-people-move/#6f1bf5fb25e3
https://www.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/nov/20/if-you-tax-the-rich-they-wont-leave-us-data-contradicts-millionaires-threats

New York and California for example have high taxes but those rich people stay there since they will not leave where they make a lot of profit that easily

1. That will never happen LOL
2. Forbes and The Guardian as sources LMAO
3. I can find articles that say the opposite so... ROFL


ok lets hear your right wing solution then
Mar 28, 2019 1:55 PM

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deg said:
jennicide said:

1. That will never happen LOL
2. Forbes and The Guardian as sources LMAO
3. I can find articles that say the opposite so... ROFL


ok lets hear your right wing solution then


Why do you assume my solution is right wing?

And my solution is nuclear holocaust of course
so then a new, better world will rise from the ashes.
Mar 28, 2019 2:06 PM
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jennicide said:
deg said:


ok lets hear your right wing solution then


Why do you assume my solution is right wing?

And my solution is nuclear holocaust of course
so then a new, better world will rise from the ashes.


that is the real LOL solution
Mar 28, 2019 2:08 PM

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I did not expect an online children's joke to be a serious issue in developed continents like Europe. While there are more sensitive topics such as Brexit or Venezuela ..

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Mar 28, 2019 5:19 PM

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Apparently alot of EU representatives pressed the wrong button while voting and there is no take-backs.

https://boingboing.net/2019/03/26/jfc-fml-jfc.html

It was representatives of Sweden's imbecilic Trump-party that pressed the wrong button, so no surprise there. Although I did hear the mistake was corrected..


They were allowed to correct the record but their wrong-votes still count towards supporting article 13.
Mar 28, 2019 8:54 PM
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News came out that a political party in germany had an agreement with france to exchange votes for a gas pipeline(no proof for that tho, just a rumor, but seems to be true considering how hard that party was for it even tho they dont kow shit about the internet in the first place). France was pretty much 100% for article 13 and in germany it was half of it.
Mar 28, 2019 9:05 PM

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Lul this is mostly for European domains being under that specific jurisdiction and its limitation, this bullshit is not changing much for the U.S as far as authority goes. Most sites will either impose heavy client-server restrictions or just straight up tell EU users to fuck off.

GG EU peeps. Gonna see yall in few years when this bullshit plan crumbles digital economy and higher education becomes no different than elementary school.

Mar 28, 2019 9:52 PM

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These people know exactly what they're doing when they pass these laws. Only a matter of time till this law is used to censor and disallow access to websites that don't promote their brainwashing.
Mar 29, 2019 2:56 AM

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They took away its teeth. Content filters are no longer required and hosts must make a "good faith effort" to remove copyrighted content. It also makes an exemption for your maymays.

Well, about that.... https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20190327/17141241885/after-insisting-that-eu-copyright-directive-didnt-require-filters-france-immediately-starts-promoting-filters.shtml
Mar 29, 2019 3:14 AM
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Exactly, all this is about complete control of the internet but companies will move outside the EU.

Same goes for the UK porn filter, the Tories want us to hand over a credit card to prove we are adult before seeing porn (nothing could go wrong there!) but the kids will just use torrents, usb stick sharing etc.

Both of the above are wasting millions on something that can never be done. It just sums up politicians.
Mar 29, 2019 3:49 AM
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people pointed out that there are protest on the streets by EU citizens but only thousands of people there protest? so i say the EU citizens ignored or are ignorant of this new laws and once it directly affects them then they might wake up and protest more about this

this is the problem with voters today especially young people that they do not care much about politics that will ultimately affect them
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Hmmm, I wonder how it's actually going to be enforced. It's not like anybody owns the rights to their avatars or anything...that would really sink the concept of an internet forum.

It will probably be a lot like some of the super unfair rules we have on MAL where sometimes you don't notice it and sometimes it's used as a veritable tazer to end discussions or whatever.

Hey, at least we can still use avatars of our IRL faces
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