| I suggest a boycott of every Japanese product and we do our own version of "OPERATION PAYBACK"... I suggest we start to hack and cause chaos to all responsible parties of this nonsense... This is an attack on FREEDOM OF SPEECH, never could I imagine a country like Japan would stoop this low... |
Hoppy said: Good News: I still can have ecchi anime Bad News: No Yuri and Incest I'm still not happy. well, tecnically, it just says noone who couldn't get married in real life, so i expect to see a lot more cousins who live in the same house incest instead of siblings madaodono said: NOO! Its already passed. Fuck. This is some shitty news. I hope alien octopuses come from Planet Hentai and rape the people who made this possible. it would be the best day ever XD |
| The Japanese PM does not approve! http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/14/pm-kan-transmitting-anime-to-the-world-is-important/ |
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ShadowGilgamesh said: Hoppy said: Good News: I still can have ecchi anime Bad News: No Yuri and Incest I'm still not happy. well, tecnically, it just says noone who couldn't get married in real life, so i expect to see a lot more cousins who live in the same house incest instead of siblings That won't be fun at all, it kills the taboo factor. |
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Hoppy\ said: That won't be fun at all, it kills the taboo factor. well, i'll be fine with just that loophole, it's better than nothing |
NoirFrost said: As Dan Kanemitsu (opposer of the Bill and translator in the anime industry) stated, "This isn't the end. This is the beginning." Kodansha and JUMP have already made statements on the passing of the Bill which screams out, "WE WONT GO DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT." Shueisha stated regardless of what happens they'll continue to contribute series that make readers excited" and Kodansha states they'll keep fighting the regulations, even after it takes effect in July 2011. In addition, it was also stated that Naoto Kan, the Prime Minister of Japan, sees the Bill as an "issue" that needs to be solved. This is due to Sheisha and co's boycott of the TAF and he states it could affect global industries with anime. In short he's opposing the Bill as an issue to discuss due to what it caused with the Boycott. Dan Kanemitsu also urges foreign fans to write letters (CALM AND RESPECTFUL of course. If you write a angry e-mail, he says it'll make us look much worse) to the Tokyo Metropilitan Assembly. Contact info should be in their english website. Like as some say now, it isn't over. Its just begun. We have until July 2011 for full effects and until then, the Industry states: They will keep fighting and letting their voices be heard. Fans, in Japan and overseas, should do the same. Kodansha states they'll keep debating regardless (and do note despite Ishihara's tendancies, he'll let anybody speak their mind out in debate) along w/ other Industries. Instead of worrying, whether you think it makes a difference or not, e-mailing the Tokyo Metro Assembly via their contact info in their eng website helps, even by just 0.002%. Every voice counts. If the anime/manga industry wont go down without a fight, why should the fans do so without trying? People can make a difference if they put 100% into it and team together. Yeah this post sounds sort of cheesy but just saying. That and Naoto Kan already sees Shueisha and the others boycotting TAF as a major issue and sees the Bill as a responsible trigger for it. So even the Japanese PM is showing concern over this subject. Could you give us the English website please? |
desolatoDec 13, 2010 11:37 AM
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FOE-tan said: 1) yeah. But there are still somethin like 90 million people living outside of Tokyo too. Of course as Toyko is so huge city there will be less demand and less titles featuring these kind of things. 2)They will probably just move to buy things online 3) It is different thing. Some games are censored in Germany because too violent game are banned from ereryone. This bans some manga and anime only from minors. If you just stick ''banned from under 18 olds'' sticker to the cover you can still sell whatever you want. 4) Like I said they move to online shops. And yes there are probably some very good series that features these kind of things and actually I am against this law. I just don't see how it's sooo huge thing. |
KillerMan91Dec 13, 2010 11:36 AM
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| Even the hikkikomori will be on the streets in fits of rage. Anime and manga are one of Japan's largest cash crops and popular world-wide. Manga authors and animators along with fans won't let this slide. Since it's very vague, there will be loopholes to jump through. |
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Hoppy said: The point they are making all this to up the things that may save them. They already about a earthquake if its strong enough it could sink them so the space program is to colonize the moon. The fortifications are against North Korea and Chinese possible nuclear missile threats. I am assuming also they want less Otakus and this might also be a ploy. Nothing we can do about less you are in politics and that game can mean life and death.Yumekichi11 said: Ok yes but maybe Japan is heading towards another direction and all this is time to stop. Don't know but been hearing of Japanese defense fortification and also about their space program getting developed. The space program already exists and the fortification wall is a new one to me. Eg: JFK and other political figures having been killed. I am sure behind all this there is a ploy going on and I suspect USA doing something. They are closest allies of Japan after all. |
entropy13 said: The Japanese PM does not approve! http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/14/pm-kan-transmitting-anime-to-the-world-is-important/ Even if they don't approve this bill, their rating is below 20% so it isn't helping at all. ''It may simply be possible nobody will take any notice of'' just like it said in the article. I can already see mangas like One Piece for violence, Gintama for sexual jokes, Berserk and even Bleach for the school uniforms and many others will be affected. |
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xrecks said: alexcampos said: I suggest a boycott of every Japanese product and we do our own version of "OPERATION PAYBACK"... . Boycotting anime and manga hurts the the people on the good side, the people who are fighting the censorship. I didn't mean boycott anime and manga... I meant boycott OTHER Japanese products, anything and everything BUT manga and anime, in fact this is the time where we have to show our biggest support for anime and manga, especially those that are being threatened to be CANCELLED.. Right now there are a lot of good manga that could potentially be banned and or cancelled, I just hope the publishers can do something before July 2011. |
Yumekichi11 said: The Republicans in our government don't care about Japan. The only way they would is if China or North Korea were involved and they could "save" Japan in order to boost their own self-image and get more campaign funds. The Democrats probably care about Japan but they certainly don't care about an anime law.The point they are making all this to up the things that may save them. They already about a earthquake if its strong enough it could sink them so the space program is to colonize the moon. The fortifications are against North Korea and Chinese possible nuclear missile threats. I am assuming also they want less Otakus and this might also be a ploy. Nothing we can do about less you are in politics and that game can mean life and death. Eg: JFK and other political figures having been killed. I am sure behind all this there is a ploy going on and I suspect USA doing something. They are closest allies of Japan after all. |
desolatoDec 13, 2010 12:43 PM
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NoirFrost said: Writing letters won't do shit! They can ignore them of throw them away. Prove it they do that! It will be hard. What you should do is have articles publish but the problem with that is they can prove those wrong by doing research to show scientific proof. In regards to that psychology can be a powerful force. There is not much you can as much as you could do nothing once branded a heretic and burned by the Church.alexcampos said: Writing letters to the Tokyo Assembly would be better (as advised from an expert in the industry). I suggest a boycott of every Japanese product and we do our own version of "OPERATION PAYBACK"... I suggest we start to hack and cause chaos to all responsible parties of this nonsense... This is an attack on FREEDOM OF SPEECH, never could I imagine a country like Japan would stoop this low... Akamitsu said: That's the point what if that anime bill does boost their self-image. What if then they give more defense to Japan. Then I would be right. BTW USA Politics does have a certain influence on Japan.The Republicans in our government don't care about Japan. The only way they would is if China or North Korea were involved and they could "save" Japan in order to boost their own self-image and get more campaign funds. The Democrats probably care about Japan but they certainly don't care about an anime law. |
| Which series was the detonator? |
| "Manga readers are annoying, all they do is complain or spoil the anime we discuss in an anime forum. They should really do their whining at manga forums." Stolen from Janethan23. Add in visual novel readers too |
| Jeez, this kind of thing makes you appreciate your own country a little more huh? I wonder if funi selling out of sekirei discs will make them feel stronger about this. |
| I don't really see why they want to get rid of school uniforms. |
| My current anime list is grossly, out of date, just so you know. skullhunterj said: if u expect me to put on my working writing skill on forums like this...think again, Grammer Nazi!!! I hate people. |
FKMT-Fan said: I don't really see why they want to get rid of school uniforms. School Uniforms = School Girls School Girls = UNDER 18 UNDER 18 = BAD in the new COMMUNIST STATE OF JAPAN... |
| I hate to say this but I'm going to have to give a tentative welcome to the new Peoples Republic of Japan. I can also see why a defensive wall will be put in place, to keep foreigners who want to visit out and their citizens in. Big_Fish said: I somehow sense a 4chan DDoS attack... soon That's the least of their worries. |
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alexcampos said: FKMT-Fan said: I don't really see why they want to get rid of school uniforms. School Uniforms = School Girls School Girls = UNDER 18 UNDER 18 = BAD in the new COMMUNIST STATE OF JAPAN... The irony though is the Communist Party is against this bill. |
ACSephiroth said: alexcampos said: FKMT-Fan said: I don't really see why they want to get rid of school uniforms. School Uniforms = School Girls School Girls = UNDER 18 UNDER 18 = BAD in the new COMMUNIST STATE OF JAPAN... The irony though is the Communist Party is against this bill. LOL, that's pretty funny... But still this is Japan's BIGGEST FAIL since Pearl Harbor... |
| I don't understand how there is even 'single' person who is supporting this law. Simply, if this law gets activated, the dark age will start. According to the bill, there will 'be a template' made to regulated animes and mangas following the contents of the bill. The problem is, template is 'NOT' a bill. It can basically change 'ANYTIME' to fit with the taste of publishers and lawsuits, thus if someone decides to fully abuse this feature, any manga can be cancelled, even one piece. Japan's system is already ready to enforce this law and it will be major crisis to entire subculture industry, which is pretty huge. |
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zeroj said: Read the following article:Which series was the detonator? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/02/my-little-sister-cant-be-this-harmful-to-children/ it's what started and as well as the Watch Dog being unleashed into the anime to bite what it smells as bad, that includes Yosuga no Sora and Aki Sora. |
| Do they even consider how many people they will put out of work!? I guess they don't care though.┐(￣ー￣)┌ |
Tyranid5 said: I have a feeling that after what happens to those 2 above, happens to more Mangaka. Public will start raging. its quite probable the public is already raging...i know i am :/ |
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wakka9ca said: now this is like discrimination. How does 2D affect people more than 3D?IRONIC because TV series, live-action, porn and hentai are NOT AFFECTED AND NOT COVERED by the bill. This just demonstrates how ambiguous this bill is. Rational people + protestants(fans) should pay attention to the bill now and try to thrash the bill out of the table. As the legislation is already in action, its actually scary what may happen to the anime/manga industry. |
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| Well, this don't look good for the manga industry... |
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| Communist Japan? People's Republic of Japan? I thought it was the conservatives who are against this bill. But still, it's sad to see this is happening. Also, anyone who thinks the US will step in is deluding himself. 99% of Americans either don't know what anime is or think it's just Japanese cartoons for kids. Americans won't interfere with such a trivial (in their eyes) bill in Japan; they only care about American bases in Japan (such as the Futenma issue). |
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Akamitsu said: Yumekichi11 said: The Republicans in our government don't care about Japan. The only way they would is if China or North Korea were involved and they could "save" Japan in order to boost their own self-image and get more campaign funds. The Democrats probably care about Japan but they certainly don't care about an anime law.The point they are making all this to up the things that may save them. They already about a earthquake if its strong enough it could sink them so the space program is to colonize the moon. The fortifications are against North Korea and Chinese possible nuclear missile threats. I am assuming also they want less Otakus and this might also be a ploy. Nothing we can do about less you are in politics and that game can mean life and death. Eg: JFK and other political figures having been killed. I am sure behind all this there is a ploy going on and I suspect USA doing something. They are closest allies of Japan after all. I honestly have know idea how you drew that conclusion. Anyhow, this isn't the thread to be discussing American politics. |
| First "That" Now THIS? What's next? end of the world? just freaking news >.> |
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| haha Do they really think they can ban anime just like that? In a blink of an eye? They just dug they're own grave. Theres nothing they can do now but wait till the masses form and pass judgment upon they're pitiful souls. Otaku gods have mercy for they have no idea on what they've done... |
Big_Fish said: Games have a global market. If the Japanese market bans them or severely limits them they will just ignore the Japanese market altogether and concentrate on their overseas market. Several big japanese companies gave already centered their sights more on America and Europe rather than the slowly dwindling Japanese market.Wait, games are involved, TOO?! ...so... NO REAL PERSONA 5!? Please, somebody kill me, now... That said, I can't say about the games with small cult-following like Persona which have a very japanese-oriented style, they may suffer some backlash. I know for a fact Visual Novels that used to target teenagers by removing explicit sex will just have to forget it and go for adult demographics like the rest of their peers. That said, gaming as a whole will likely not suffer much in the large scheme of things. This is, for the most part, a life or death issue for manga and anime. |
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Yumekichi11 said: zeroj said: Read the following article:Which series was the detonator? http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/02/my-little-sister-cant-be-this-harmful-to-children/ it's what started and as well as the Watch Dog being unleashed into the anime to bite what it smells as bad, that includes Yosuga no Sora and Aki Sora. Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. |
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entropy13 said: I think it's more than just what hour they are broadcast. The bill automatically pushes all offensive material to an adult rating which means no regular retailer will have the DVD's and manga in stock. They don't just want it out of the air, they also don't want it being sold at regular stores. Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. I find this excessive. Is there really a need to pair everything slightly adult-themed on the same category as porn/hentai? This is what happens when the state wants to take the role of a parent. |
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| One thing that I'm a little happy about is some of the ignorance in this topic...-laughs- Sure this bill is bad. No denying that. Outright censorship is never the way to go. It's basically the same thing that is happening in California right now over video games. The extremists are usually the ones to bitch the loudest and use fear mongering tactics. Thus are heard the most. Thus have the public opinion. Shit needs to change though. The current system doesn't work, end of story. What they propose won't work, end of story. Hopefully what will happen is some middle ground that will work for awhile, ala the formation of the ESRB from the Video Game assault in the 90's |
| The intention is there. But the bill just won't work. |
| Am I the only one who is reminded of Kino no Tabi ep9? Heh. Anyway, this is a very unfortunate development. Of all the things wrong with the world, they are targeting art (and a major source of income for Japan, as well) as the source? Yes, anime/manga is art, whether or not you agree with the subject matter. At any rate, I hope this gets steamrolled before actually going into practice. The terms are much too broad and would be too easy to manipulate it to affect more than just sexual content. |
Yumekichi11 said: The point they are making all this to up the things that may save them. They already about a earthquake if its strong enough it could sink them so the space program is to colonize the moon. The fortifications are against North Korea and Chinese possible nuclear missile threats. I am assuming also they want less Otakus and this might also be a ploy. Nothing we can do about less you are in politics and that game can mean life and death. Eg: JFK and other political figures having been killed. I am sure behind all this there is a ploy going on and I suspect USA doing something. They are closest allies of Japan after all. You are about as crazy and ignorant as they come, holy hell. If you're going to make up bullshit conspiracy theories, at least learn how to communicate. Maybe you think everyone is out to get you because you can't even understand clear and concise conversations. For once, I'm going to recommend you stop watching so much anime. Go outside, go to school, anything at all. |
Gunther_ said: That was not the point but more to see how USA politics might get involved in this. I remind you that USA presidents for some time wanted also the loli stuff from Japanese anime out. One example of this is the attempt to take in Kodomo no Jikan by a USA manga publisher only to have it banned instantly. I honestly have know idea how you drew that conclusion. Anyhow, this isn't the thread to be discussing American politics. entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. Thillygooth said: Thillygooth said: You are about as crazy and ignorant as they come, holy hell. If you're going to make up bullshit conspiracy theories, at least learn how to communicate. Maybe you think everyone is out to get you because you can't even understand clear and concise conversations. Excuse me but you don't know who I am! I am student in politics and am smart enough to say you failed to notice how much of a conspiracy this all may be. I don't know it but I smell it and I sense it. You also fail at noticing that there is a deal going on with all this and that some compromises will come from the world. Perhaps in forms of help and money. I may be crazy and ignorant but I am not stupid in regards to seeing beyond the scope of why this going on and not OMG they are banning shit and I am raging. I can calmly assess shit and this shit is something they are doing to get more development going on and to fortify their defense. Thillygooth said: Once you fail to understand me since you don't know me therefore you are assuming at most. As such I refuse your recommendations.For once, I'm going to recommend you stop watching so much anime. Go outside, go to school, anything at all. |
Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. Is online streaming even affected by this ban? This law only applies to Tokyo, so if the company uploads a streaming version of an anime series from a server in Osaka or some other place outside of Tokyo prefecture's jurisdiction, what can Ishihara and the anti-otaku brigade that passed these laws do about it? |
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| THIS IS SOME FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!!! EXCUSE ME, ISN'T EDUCATING KIDS A PARENTS' RESPONSABILITY? IF THERE IS SEX SCENES ON A TV SHOW, DOESN'T IT MEAN IT'S NOT FOR KIDS? HOW CAN THE UNITED NATIONS REMAIN SILENT ABOUT THOSE HOMOPHOBIC COMMENTS? I SURE HOPE PEOPLE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THESE BULLSHIT!!! HEY, YOU WANNA HEAR SOMETHING FUNNY? THOSE GUYS CALL THEMSELVES DEMOCRATS. DEMOCRATS, MY ASS!!!! YOU DON'T LIKE ECCHI, YOU DON'T WATCH ECCHI. YOU DON'T LIKE HENTAI, YOU DON'T WATCH HENTAI. YOU DON'T YURI, DON'T WATCH YURI. IF YOU DO LIKE ANY OF THESE GENRES, WATCH THEM BUT NEVER MAKE THEM AN OBLIGATION, EITHER. FREEDOM OF CHOICE!!!! |
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FOE-tan said: Exactly! I don't think they can anything. All is going to be relocated to some other place in Japan. Not sure how things will work itself out but you are right it will not affect online shit. Maybe that's the way to go. TV will be safe in Japan and the internet will growing more.Is online streaming even affected by this ban? This law only applies to Tokyo, so if the company uploads a streaming version of an anime series from a server in Osaka or some other place outside of Tokyo prefecture's jurisdiction, what can Ishihara and the anti-otaku brigade that passed these laws do about it? |
desolatoDec 14, 2010 2:44 PM
FOE-tan said: Yumekichi11 said: entropy13 said: I am sorry but there are parents who work a lot and some don't care about their child as they should and as a result the possibility of the child being awake is possible. Furthermore there are the internet and recording devices to record those shows anytime. Heck there is even online streaming less there is a smart parental block program installed to stop that sort viewing.Which I don't get. Unless they admit that children are still awake at midnight, then how can it be "harmful" to children that are asleep? Oreimo and Yosuga no Sora are both aired 11:30pm. Motto To LOVE-Ru is aired 2:00am. Is online streaming even affected by this ban? This law only applies to Tokyo, so if the company uploads a streaming version of an anime series from a server in Osaka or some other place outside of Tokyo prefecture's jurisdiction, what can Ishihara and the anti-otaku brigade that passed these laws do about it? The companies do care about their profits the most though.. and the limitations from ban take away lots of possible customers->profits. Wouldn't they rather go with more profitable series? And to Yumekichi....seriously if the parents let their kid watch shows at midnight, the kids then can then watch adult-rated material there just as fine. The country shouldn't be responsible for parents that fail being parents. Completely unrelated to the quoting.. ...seriously what is that stupidly close-minded discriminating homophobic reaction. Are we going a century back? |
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FOE-tan said: Is online streaming even affected by this ban? This law only applies to Tokyo, so if the company uploads a streaming version of an anime series from a server in Osaka or some other place outside of Tokyo prefecture's jurisdiction, what can Ishihara and the anti-otaku brigade that passed these laws do about it? thats what I wanna know :| |
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