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Damien Haas

Hi, I wanted to publish a Damien Haas page and noticed your notification stating that it was denied for a previous user due to unreliable sources. I am in the process of fixing those sources now and I wanted to know if you remembered what sources led it to be denied being published. Thank you and have a great day!! BlueSpikez 07:59, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

(talk page watcher): Twitter (now X), IMDb, YouTube. Also, the filmography section is most entirely unsourced. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 08:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Now, I have read over the list of credible sources and their guidelines, but I do have a question pertaining to YouTube. If I were citing a video of an interview, is that still considered unreliable due to it coming from YouTube or is it acceptable. I had a hard time understanding if that met the guidelines or not. YouTube is the only source for this interview, by the way. BlueSpikez 08:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

For the purpose of establishing notability, which is required to see if an article should be on Wikipedia, a YouTube interview isn't acceptable. For verifying claims, the reliability is based on who uploaded the video (WP:RSPYT). Frost 10:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

It is for verifying claims. The channel that uploaded the video is Anthony Padilla as part of his "I Spent a Day With" series. I would be using the video as a source for Damien's claim on his autism diagnosis. Here is a link to the video at the timestamp that I am citing for this claim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLslqDpPT-g&t=546s BlueSpikez 00:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It should be okay, as long as WP:PRIMARY is followed strictly. Mentioning the exact words and the timestamp in the citation might be useful. Happy editing. Frost 05:31, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Now, I do have a couple final questions. Reviewing the guidelines for citing Twitter, is the Twitter source still unreliable for his birth place or is it fine? Again, I was kinda struggling to fully understand the guidelines and I want to double check that there aren't any fatal citing errors. Also, is 7 sources with 22 total uses enough? BlueSpikez 10:40, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

It can be used to verify birthdate/birthplace. See WP:DOB ("A verified social media account of an article subject saying about themselves something along the lines of "today is my 50th birthday" may fall under self-published sources for purposes of reporting a full date of birth. It may be usable if there is no reason to doubt it.") and WP:ABOUTSELF ("Self-published and questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, usually in articles about themselves or their activities"). Depends on the quality of the sources. One good source is better than ten weak ones. Frost 14:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

Hey, so my submission got denied even though I ran the YouTube and Twitter sources by you. Is there any way you can help? It was denied by @Johannes Maximilian. Did I miss any unreliable sources by chance? BlueSpikez 21:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that your draft's subject is a living person, i.e., WP:BLP applies. A subject claiming that his birthday is day x may be acceptable per WP:ABOUTSELF, but a person diagnosing himself with a psychiatric disability in a YouTube video does not at all get near the realm of a reliable, secondary source. Best, --Johannes (Talk) (Contribs) (Articles) 22:20, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for clarifying. I will remove the claim until I can find a better source. Are there anymore that I absolutely have to remove even with following the given guidelines? BlueSpikez 02:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I said these sources can be used for verification only if the relevant policies/guidelines are complied with, and they do not contribute to establishing notability, which is required for an article to be accepted on Wikipedia. Citing the YouTube video for "Haas has been diagnosed with autism" is inappropriate because that's his opinion and it cannot be phrased as a fact. Such statements have to cite high-quality sources. When you have improved the draft, feel free to resubmit for another reviewer to take a look. I also recommend checking out the help desk if you have further questions. Good luck. Frost 11:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I now understand. I have removed the claim and will be resubmitting it soon. Just for a little help in the future, could you give examples of high quality sources concerning diagnoses of living persons that I can look out for? If you don't know any that's fine. Also, I noticed a different source cited concerning an ADHD diagnosis before I started editing. I deleted it because I didn't want to risk it being unreliable since I couldn't find any mentions in the reliable source noticeboard archives concerning the site's validity against WP:BLP (ironic, isn't it). Would that be considered more reliable? Here's the link: [1]https://bleedingcool.com/games/chatting-with-smoshs-damien-haas-about-all-things-sword-af/ BlueSpikez 05:25, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

There's a list of sources on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, the ones in green are acceptable as reliable sources and can be used for BLPs unless otherwise noted. I'm not familiar with Bleeding Cool but it could be reliable as it's listed on Wikipedia:WikiProject Comics/References and Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources. To be sure, you could start a new thread about it on WP:RSN. Frost 06:28, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I was kinda stuck the other day when I didn't see Bleeding Cool on Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, so I didn't risk anything. Glad to know that it could possibly be a reliable source. I've now just started a new thread on WP:RSN. Also, Merry (late) Christmas! BlueSpikez 18:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

@Frost: Someone replied and said that his TikTok post would be good. I don't necessarily believe them given the information I've been given, but just in case there's a chance, here's their message:

Hass discusses the ADHD diagnosis in this Tiktok post[87], as it's an WP:ABOUTSELF post it could be more appropriate in a BLP. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 12:07, 27 December 2024 (UTC)Reply

BlueSpikez 03:35, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that's what was meant. If adding content about the ADHD with proper sourcing is difficult, it's okay to skip it for now and focus on other areas of the draft. Frost 09:45, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

Alright. Thank you! Will do. Is there anything else I may have missed that need to be changed/removed or is it ok to submit? BlueSpikez 02:55, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

You're welcome. I recommend adding more sources to establish notability. Frost 13:52, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Von der Leyen

Please take more care when moving pages like this. You should have put a hatnote at Ursula von der Leyen to Von der Leyen (disambiguation), because otherwise readers won't know it exists, and you should have made changes to the disambiguation page to reflect the primary topic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 22:24, 30 December 2024 (UTC)

I usually do it but missed this one for some reason. Thanks for fixing it and letting me know. Frost 06:12, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hegra

Thanks for closing the move discussion at Talk:Hegra, but the move does not seem to have actually taken place? Jpatokal (talk) 22:49, 1 January 2025 (UTC)

All good, it's been moved now. Jpatokal (talk) 07:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Both pages were move protected. Frost 13:56, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Anti-vandalism barnstar

		The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		You always beat me to reverting vandalism, keep up the good work! Gaismagorm (talk) 17:19, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! Frost 17:20, 2 January 2025 (UTC)

No problem! Gaismagorm (talk) 17:22, 2 January 2025 (UTC)