This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Battle of Vukovar article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
This article is written in British English, which has its own spelling conventions (colour, travelled, centre, defence, artefact, analyse) and some terms that are used in it may be different or absent from other varieties of English. According to the relevant style guide, this should not be changed without broad consensus.
This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history
Battle of Vukovar is within the scope of WikiProject Yugoslavia, a collaborative effort to improve the Wikipedia coverage of articles related to Yugoslavia and its nations. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.YugoslaviaWikipedia:WikiProject YugoslaviaTemplate:WikiProject YugoslaviaYugoslavia
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Croatia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Croatia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.CroatiaWikipedia:WikiProject CroatiaTemplate:WikiProject CroatiaCroatia
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Serbia, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Serbia on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.SerbiaWikipedia:WikiProject SerbiaTemplate:WikiProject SerbiaSerbia
The contentious topics procedure applies to this page. This page is related to the Balkans or Eastern Europe, which has been designated as a contentious topic.
There's been repetitive attempts now (from a Latvian IP address) to restore the name of Robert Šilić in the infobox, related to Croatian Defence Forces. I had removed it as it had been added without a rationale, even if nobody noticed that in quite a while (it happened after the FA review). I see we mentioned this briefly in /Archive 3, but that by itself is not meaningful. It's probably some sort of a political talking point to include or exclude them, which likely shouldn't be relevant for the encyclopedia, instead the inclusion criterion is if and how this matter is described in reliable sources. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:40, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note also that the author of both articles in [1] is Tanja Belobrajdić, but a quick lookup brings up this biography where it says this person was literally serving in the same military units as the listed people, so that's a bit of a problem with regard to not being a proper third-party, secondary source. They do mention suradnik vojnostručnog časopisa Hrvatski vojnik so maybe we could verify this from something published in Hrvatski vojnik in turn? --Joy (talk) 16:42, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Šiliću je povjereno zapovjedništvo vukovarske satnije HOS-a s kojom je 26. rujna 1991. otišao za Vukovar. [...] Krajem rujna 1991. godine pod zapovjedništvom Roberta Šilića, u obranu Vukovara uključilo se 58 pripadnika Hrvatskih obrambenih snaga.
So satnija is a company, and we see the precise size of the unit. I don't know the precise standard for including people in the infobox, @Peacemaker67?
The other article mentions vod which is a platoon, and the ranks of the two commanding officers are pukovnik which is colonel, a higher rank.
The other people listed include Zadro who commanded a bojna which is a battalion, but apparently had no rank at the time. The next is Dedaković who commanded a brigada which is a brigade, and his war-time rank was potpukovnik which is lieutenant colonel. I don't know that the order of these two is correct right now. --Joy (talk) 09:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
