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New Monthly Table Format?

Just came back to here after a long time and noticed the format of the monthly tornado lists changed again, and I was wondering why.

I noticed before that there was an even older format in the earlier articles with the tornadoes separated by state, and now there's the format that was used since at least 2014, are these all being changed to the newest format? Jh23487 (talk) 07:42, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

We have made LOTS of changes over the past year, but I, unfortunately, don't have time to go over all of them. If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to reach out and ask. ChessEric 20:30, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

RFC - Inclusion of the November 20-21 tornadic event

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Should the November 20-21 tornadic event (8 EF1 tornadoes and 6 EF0 tornadoes) be included as in this version or be excluded as in this version? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

• Notes: Two discussion sections occurred prior to this RfC and given that several editors are involved in this disagreement, a third-opinion is off the table and WP:RFCBEFORE is satisfied. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:30, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
• Neutral (leaning exclude) — The event only consisted of weak-end tornadoes. That said, it was the only tornadic event in the United States for the entire month of November, which is why I am neutral. It wasn’t the only event, given Europe had a significant tornadic event earlier in November, which is why I am a slight lean to exclude, since the month’s section wouldn’t be empty. That is my two-sense for this discussion/debate. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 18:09, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose — While it has quite a few tornadoes, these don't have a very high rating. Plus, no deaths occurred, so I think that this shouldn't be included in the page. And just because it was the only tornadic event in the U.S. for the entirety of November doesn't exactly mean it's notable enough.

  Poodle23 (talk) 18:34, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

• Support — Event was a fairly significant regional outbreak with 14 tornadoes, 12 of which occurred in a more concentrated area from the same system, and a couple of them were fairly long-tracked as well (the ones around Marksville especially). Despite there being no EF2+ tornadoes, I can see this being a notable tornado system to include, especially since it was the only one of the month in the United States after a quiet time period. ChrisWx 🌀 (talk - contribs) 00:23, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

  • Oppose — Since it was an outbreak with no significant tornadoes, I don't think it is notable enough to include. EuropeanXTwisters (talk) 15:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose The section for the August 12 tornadoes was removed and I fail to see how this is any more significant. Similar amount of tornadoes, and neither outbreak had any EF2+. I know this is a WP:OSE argument, but I still feel as though it’s too insignificant to include, especially with the readable prose size as long as it is. 166.198.251.71 (talk) 17:21, 6 December 2023 (UTC) (A blocked Andrew5 sock) The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 15:32, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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April 19-20

It needs an article. It had multiple wedge tornadoes, and a fatality. Another reason is due to the fujiwara supercell. Morganiscoolcat (talk) 21:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

We had one, but the consensus was to redirect it back to the main page. I must say that I witnessed some of the events firsthand since I live in Oklahoma, but that's another story and has nothing to do with whether the event should get another chance at an article. ChessEric 07:59, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, between the Cole and Shawnee tornadoes, that conclusion didn’t sit well with me. I think we should take another look and maybe reconsider. I’ve been meaning to bring this up.

TornadoInformation12 (talk) 06:07, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Making a note here about Tornado outbreak of April 19–20, 2023

Just doing a reference/record note that Tornado outbreak of April 19–20, 2023 was assessed and merged on 4 March 2024 after a requested merge discussion seen here. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 00:07, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

European tornadoes

I think we should have an article titled "List of tornadoes in Europe in 2023. 2600:1014:B136:82AF:0:2C:6FD7:D01 (talk) 12:49, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Matador tornado rating

I found a reliable source saying it was an EF4. Here is the link: [1]https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/tornadoes/202313 2600:1014:B134:9495:0:28:8ECF:8401 (talk) 12:04, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Please note it does not say a specific windspeed, it just says EF4 Iamakid836e5 (talk) 12:10, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Can't argue with you guys here, it does indeed say it was an EF4. However, all official damage surveys and rating sites still indicate it was an EF3, so maybe it was a typo from the guys over at NCEI when writing that 2023 summary report. So, while the EF4 rating is given directly to this event, I'm hesitant to update it with just this. Mjeims (talk) 15:14, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

NWS Lubbock reports that it is a typo on NCEI's part via Twitter/X.

> This is a typo from NCEI and they've been notified. The official Storm Data from which NCEI references correctly lists Matador as an EF-3. Penitentes (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok Iamakid836e5 (talk) 17:44, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

RfC - Criteria for Tornadoes of XXXX articles

There is an ongoing RfC to set the criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia's Tornadoes of XXXX (ex. Tornadoes of 2023) articles. If you wish to participate in the Request for Comment discussion, you can do so here! The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 02:44, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

October 11–12 (Florida)

Hey OffComets, since you re-added the October 11–12 (Florida) section, can you explain how it passes either the “rare” clause or the “high impact” clause in WP:TornadoCriteria? It does not appear the event passes any of the five hard criteria points, so for it to be included, we need a consensus that it is a rare event or a “high impact” event. So, would you mind explaining it for myself and others? The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 17:50, 31 July 2024 (UTC)

Fatalities (U.S) Infobox

I noticed that there is no Fatalities for the U.S in the info box while other Tornadoes of .... articles have it, is this intentional or a mistake that I can edit it in? ModdiWX (You Got Mail!) 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC)