User:WLRoss/Sandbox3

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• Phoenix and Winslow (talk · contribs · logs)

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Statement of the dispute

Desired outcome

I would like steps taken to ensure Phoenix and Winslow discontinues the disputed behaviour.

Description

Despite frequent requests to stop such behaviour, Phoenix and Winslow has been continually referring to and misrepresenting a past dispute with me on another article, and making false claims regarding my editing of 911 articles despite his having never edited 911 related articles, as a means to discredit not only my own comments but those of other editors who support me on the unrelated Ugg boots article Talk page and in the recent noticeboard discussion regarding that article.

Evidence of disputed behavior

This section contains only sample posts, not all instances of problematic posts.

1. [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7] and [8].
2. This post on an admins Talk page on November 27, was particularly inappropriate.
3. Following the closure of this case after being refered to the Wikiquette assistance board and posting this case on the incident board twice, Phoenix and Winslow again continued the personal attacks here and is now attacking me in replies to other editors[9] and by extention attacking them as well.
   Quote: six people with a cultural bias, who are owning the article, and have adopted as their new de facto spokesman a person with a long history of fringe theory advocacy and POV pushing, particularly evident where admins stubbed a lengthy article that was loaded with his misrepresentations.
   Despite Phoenix and Winslow taking the edits to three different boards none of my edits were found to contain misrepresentations. My long history of edits is open to admins to check and they will find nothing to support Phoenix and Winslow's claim. But how many editors reading his false claims will check? He is also making tendentious claims to support his edits:
   Quote: At one point, Johnuniq supported my removal of certain POV-pushing on behalf of the Australian manufacturers:
   In fact this was over a year ago, it was removed as trivia not POV and none of the Australian editors objected. But how many editors will check?
   Quote: At another point, User:MONGO supported the version of the article I've proposed,[10] and has previously remarked on the advocacy of fringe theories by the opposing de facto spokesman on other articles.
   Mongo, an editor canvassed by Phoenix and Winslow, actually supported the version of the article he "thought" Phoenix and Winslow had proposed. He made a mistake, he didn't realise it was the version after Phoenix and Winslow's edits had been reverted that he was commenting on. Phoenix and Winslow also brings up my 911 editing again despite no evidence I have ever been an "advocate" of anything...but it still sticks because editors will not bother to check whether the claim is true or not. He has several times referred to me as a "spokesman" for all the editors opposing him although I have never assumed that role which makes his attacks on me reflect negatively on other editors.
4. I let it slide for a while but Phoenix and Winslow has today brought up[11] my past editing on another editors page[12] again to discredit me after I had posted on that editors page a FYI noting that Phoenix and Winslow had deleted all the behaviour warnings from his Talk page.

Phoenix and Winslow has active accounts on the Spanish,[13] German,[14] Norwegian,[15] Polish,[16] Romanian [17] and Swedish [18] language Wikipedia's. None of these accounts have made any edits outside of their respective Ugg Boot related articles and all edits are heavily promotional in favour of Deckers. Considering the time and effort that P&W has put into filibustering (the last NPOVN he brought [to make Deckers the focus of all ugg articles[19]] ran to 93 pages despite P&W being the only supporting editor), canvassing[20], forum shopping and editing against consensus in ugg related topics over the last three years, I must question his connection to Deckers.

Applicable policies and guidelines

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1. Wikipedia:Disruptive editing
2. Wikipedia:No personal attacks
3. Wikipedia:Civility

Evidence of trying and failing to resolve the dispute

Attempts by certifier WLRoss

1. Here where Phoenix and Winslow replied simply “LOL”
2. [21]
3. [22]

Other attempts

1. Apostle12 made a request here that Phoenix and Winslow delete an offensive post that made accusations against both himself and me. He refused.
2. Bilby took the matter to the Wikiquette assistance board on October 11, where Phoenix and Winslow was advised to strike out the comments and refrain from further mention of the previous dispute.[23] Phoenix and Winslow declined to post in reply but a SPA anon who always supports Phoenix and Winslow’s edits did and not only repeated the accusations but made further accusations that had previously been discredited on another board.
3. Daveosaurus has posted asking Phoenix and Winslow to refrain from making these personal attacks on the article Talk page. On Phoenix and Winslow’s Talk page. And again on the article talk page.
4. I previously posted this case on the incident board on 27 November. The case was archived without being resolved due to the 24h rule.
5. I posted the case again on 3 December. Despite receiving notification, Phoenix and Winslow declined to reply and the case was archived without being resolved due to the 24h rule. I was however, advised to take the dispute to this board.

Users certifying the basis for this dispute

{Users who tried and failed to resolve the dispute}

1. WLRoss (Wayne)

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