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iarchive

Hi there,

I read your contribution of feb 2022 about the iarchive-wikilink here. No one reacted then. You then said you were "researching the iarchive interwiki link". What was the outcome of your research? I also found a link like this, and I didn't know it existed. I can't find very little information about this "interwiki link." Personally I find it a bit tricky. It looks like an internal link, but it links to an external party. But on the other side: Internet Archive is so close to Wikip/media.... Many greetings, --Dick Bos (talk) 11:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oh, I can't remember! I think I told my student that since it's an external link, it's not appropriate for the body of a Wikipedia page. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WikiEd European Women's History - possible problem

Hallo, I created an article Ann Trevenen Jenkin the day before yesterday, as part of the WP:Women in Red topic of women who died in 2024, and yesterday there was a message on the talk page showing that a student is working on this for this course. Of course neither of us knew of the other's work. I don't know how the course assessment system will cater for the fact that there is now an existing article, so that the student can't just move their work into mainspace, but I'm alerting you because it will not be acceptable if anyone just decides to overwrite my work and put the student article there in its place. As of today, at least, the student article is certainly not fit for mainspace - I've added a few constructive comments on its talk page. But I hope the course structure will allow the student full credit for their work even though it cannot just be uploaded to mainspace as it stands, because of the prior existence of an article.

When I'm choosing a topic for a WiR editathon and someone looks particularly interesting, I tend to create a minimal stub which has a lead sentence and a couple of solid references (enough to protect it from a CSD A7), to mark the place and prevent anyone else from accidentally starting work on the same topic while I gather my sources etc, but I suppose that approach can't really be used with student editors. It would be useful if the software could allow the course leader to create some sort of marker, only visible when an editor clicks on a red link to start an article, alerting us to the fact that it's a topic of a current student course, (just as we get alerted to the fact that a previous article has been deleted, etc). PamD 09:23, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for letting me know! I will pass your advice along to the main instructor of the course. I did an initial training session and have consulted with a few students one-on-one, and I haven't been part of topic selection. Definitely, the student shouldn't overwrite what you've written! I will encourage her to integrate it with the work you've done. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 18:31, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for letting us know. The student will definitely get credit for their work, no matter how much of it ends up on Wikipedia. 128.187.112.8 (talk) 20:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Trimpi Melville Book

So, I finished the hist/pol analysis book by Trimpi. There's some interesting things that could be put under The Confidence-Man#Literary_analysis or the background section, but given the whole "weight" thing not sure how much it needs it? Please advise. BenBeckstromBYU (talk) 21:53, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BenBeckstromBYU, I think we can start by adding to the literary analysis section, and if it gets too long, we can make a separate page. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 21:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pictures from the Thurber house

Hi -- I'm planning to work on the article on James Thurber, and I noticed that you're the uploader for these images:

In each case the licensing says they were published before 1929. Obviously they existed before 1929, but as I understand it, publication requires more than that -- they would have had to be published in a publicly available work, or on display in a public area. Do you recall any more information about them? For example, did you scan them from one of the Thurber biographies? Thanks. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 12:20, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Mike, these images were on display in the James Thurber house, as stated in the "source" of the images. As far as I know, for photographs, we often assume that the work is "published" if the photograph was done by a professional photographer. The photographer handing the photo to the person who paid for it is a form of publishing. You can read about a time when I freaked out over this idea here. Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's interesting -- I hadn't seen the idea that distribution to a purchaser constitutes publication, but I understand the reasoning. Nikki, what do you think? Would these photos pass muster in a FAC image review? Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 16:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Looking over the linked discussion, I don't think we can say definitively that this does constitute a general publication. I'd also note that the bar for deletion at Commons and the bar for passing an image review at FAC are different - Commons goes by the precautionary principle, which requires significant doubt as to freedom for deletion, whereas FAC goes by WP:IUP, which requires that you can "prove" the image is PD. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Nikki. I will probably contact whoever manages the Thurber House and see if they have more information. If I do end up nominating at FAC I think those images will have to be removed unless I can find more evidence of publication. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]